Nobody Loses

with Stephanie Burt, Tracy O’Neill, Michael Salu, and Elissa Washuta


Our second Lab theme, Games, began with a roundtable with four artists. 

We invited Stephanie Burt, Tracy O‘Neill, Michael Salu, and Elissa Washuta to share some of their work with one another, and then met on Zoom to discuss the various ways they think about games in their artistic practices and their lives.

Listen to an edited version of the roundtable:

The episode is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.  The full transcript of the podcast is available here. 

Click on the links below for texts and images our guests shared with one another, along with their bios.

Stephanie Burt: “A lot of the fantasies and play styles around girlhood are about creating situations where everybody feels comfortable and nobody loses.”

Tracy O‘Neill: “Saussure talks about chess pieces gaining their value through their position to one another . . . that is how pieces of language work too.”

Michael Salu: “I’m looking at how environments like gaming filter out into society, how they also uphold capitalist structures that entrench them.”

Elissa Washuta: “I started thinking various games I was playing . . . I wanted to make the argument that they’re all business simulation games in some way.”


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